Comments on: “Where Is the Friend’s House?” http://andazazen.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/where-is-the-friends-house/ Tue, 03 Mar 2009 06:36:39 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Anda http://andazazen.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/where-is-the-friends-house/#comment-66 Anda Fri, 30 May 2008 17:58:58 +0000 http://andazazen.wordpress.com/?p=28#comment-66 @ Cyrus I guess it really depends on the environment you grow up in. Maybe I didn't have an exceptionally happy childhood and that's why I'm prone to think this way about it. I think I also was one of those kids who think a lot. No worries about death? Are you kidding me? I spent days and days thinking just about that...Everyone I talked to at school also thought about it a lot. I'm going to watch that exact movie this weekend:) @Richard Maybe it's just us, the kids who got beaten up, who think this way! I also got beaten up a lot when I was a kid (you wouldn't expect this happening to a girl, eh?). Most of those who reacted to my post didn't aggree with my idea. I still do believe that people have the tendency to idealize their childhood because they need a place (in their past) where they can go when they're having a hard time. From another point of view, I'm kinda glad that I didn't have that happy of a childhood. It would be really hard right now to deal with the problem of "paradise lost". Immigration is enough for now...Maybe in my next lifetime I'll deal with that one:) I also aggree with the idea of escaping in your imagination. I did that a lot when growing up and it did help. The sad thing I notice is that media is destroying the little bit of imagination we have left. It's one reason why I refuse to have a cable and watch Hollywood movies! @ Cyrus
I guess it really depends on the environment you grow up in. Maybe I didn’t have an exceptionally happy childhood and that’s why I’m prone to think this way about it. I think I also was one of those kids who think a lot. No worries about death? Are you kidding me? I spent days and days thinking just about that…Everyone I talked to at school also thought about it a lot.

I’m going to watch that exact movie this weekend:)

@Richard
Maybe it’s just us, the kids who got beaten up, who think this way! I also got beaten up a lot when I was a kid (you wouldn’t expect this happening to a girl, eh?). Most of those who reacted to my post didn’t aggree with my idea. I still do believe that people have the tendency to idealize their childhood because they need a place (in their past) where they can go when they’re having a hard time.

From another point of view, I’m kinda glad that I didn’t have that happy of a childhood. It would be really hard right now to deal with the problem of “paradise lost”. Immigration is enough for now…Maybe in my next lifetime I’ll deal with that one:)

I also aggree with the idea of escaping in your imagination. I did that a lot when growing up and it did help.
The sad thing I notice is that media is destroying the little bit of imagination we have left. It’s one reason why I refuse to have a cable and watch Hollywood movies!

]]> By: Richard S. http://andazazen.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/where-is-the-friends-house/#comment-63 Richard S. Fri, 30 May 2008 10:20:18 +0000 http://andazazen.wordpress.com/?p=28#comment-63 I always said that being a kid was horrible. I still think it was, and I completely agree with what you say; I remember the exact same frustrations. The only part I miss is not having any worries about having to make a living myself. On the other hand, if my family had ever entered into real poverty, what could I have done about it? (One negative side to kids not having the responsibility - or power - to make a real living.) And I also got beaten up a bit as a kid - one of the risks that comes with being a boy in social environments like The Bronx. (But I don't get beaten up anymore - well, not physically...) I really like what Kiarostami said about how we can always escape in our imaginations. It's so true... One good reason a lot of people in our society would be better off mentally if only they could develop better imaginations. I always said that being a kid was horrible. I still think it was, and I completely agree with what you say; I remember the exact same frustrations. The only part I miss is not having any worries about having to make a living myself. On the other hand, if my family had ever entered into real poverty, what could I have done about it? (One negative side to kids not having the responsibility – or power – to make a real living.) And I also got beaten up a bit as a kid – one of the risks that comes with being a boy in social environments like The Bronx. (But I don’t get beaten up anymore – well, not physically…)

I really like what Kiarostami said about how we can always escape in our imaginations. It’s so true… One good reason a lot of people in our society would be better off mentally if only they could develop better imaginations.

]]> By: Cyrus http://andazazen.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/where-is-the-friends-house/#comment-62 Cyrus Thu, 29 May 2008 19:33:25 +0000 http://andazazen.wordpress.com/?p=28#comment-62 yeah, being a kid has some advantages and some disadvantages. I always remembered it as a very fun time when I just played and had no worries about money, work, housing and sickness and death. Except the school part which I didn’t like at all. I also suggest "Children of Heaven", another amazing movie about kids which was nominated for Oscar and also won another 10 international awards! yeah, being a kid has some advantages and some disadvantages. I always remembered it as a very fun time when I just played and had no worries about money, work, housing and sickness and death. Except the school part which I didn’t like at all.
I also suggest “Children of Heaven”, another amazing movie about kids which was nominated for Oscar and also won another 10 international awards!

]]> By: Anda http://andazazen.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/where-is-the-friends-house/#comment-61 Anda Tue, 27 May 2008 03:02:39 +0000 http://andazazen.wordpress.com/?p=28#comment-61 Ce urat...nu, nu am trait asa ceva insa am simtit exact pe dos atunci cand am emigrat - ca sunt un continut fara carapace pe care mediul il controleaza, modeleaza, zgarie... Ca si cum n-as mai avea piele si tot corpul imi e o rana deschisa. Fiecare cu barzaunii lui :) Ce urat…nu, nu am trait asa ceva insa am simtit exact pe dos atunci cand am emigrat – ca sunt un continut fara carapace pe care mediul il controleaza, modeleaza, zgarie… Ca si cum n-as mai avea piele si tot corpul imi e o rana deschisa.
Fiecare cu barzaunii lui :)

]]> By: A. http://andazazen.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/where-is-the-friends-house/#comment-60 A. Mon, 26 May 2008 19:29:02 +0000 http://andazazen.wordpress.com/?p=28#comment-60 Sentimentul vidului... hm... Dacă întrebi, înseamnă că nu l-ai trăit. Este sentimentul că eşti gol de conţinut, o coaja doar. O sferă subţire între golul dinafară şi golul dinăuntru. Un mort viu. Trăieşti ca să nu mori. Nu, nici o legătură cu "golirea minţii" din Zen. Aceasta din urmă e eliberatoare. Prima, însă, e zdrobitoare. Sentimentul vidului… hm… Dacă întrebi, înseamnă că nu l-ai trăit. Este sentimentul că eşti gol de conţinut, o coaja doar. O sferă subţire între golul dinafară şi golul dinăuntru. Un mort viu. Trăieşti ca să nu mori. Nu, nici o legătură cu “golirea minţii” din Zen. Aceasta din urmă e eliberatoare. Prima, însă, e zdrobitoare.

]]> By: Anda http://andazazen.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/where-is-the-friends-house/#comment-59 Anda Mon, 26 May 2008 18:12:56 +0000 http://andazazen.wordpress.com/?p=28#comment-59 Da, ai dreptate, dar toate astea mi se par mizilicuri pe langa frustrarea de a fi mic. Poate tu nu simti la fel, dar eu am fost intotdeauna convinsa (in viata mea de adult) ca amaraciunea si depresiile pot fi depasite cu putin efort, ca toate lucrurile sunt fermecate daca stii cum sa le privesti (la concluzia asta am ajuns, de fapt, in copilarie), ca viata este, intr-adevar, ceea ce se petrece inainte de moarte dar ca asta nu e neaparat un lucru trist ci intrigant ba chiar amuzant. Nu am avut niciodata sentimentul ca nu mai sunt lucruri pe care le fac pentru prima data. Dimpotriva, mi se pare ca nu am continuitate fiindca in fiecare zi am noi activitati. Si mi se pare ca nu am timp pentru miile de domenii care ma intereseaza. Ce vrei sa spui cu "sentimentul vidului"? Eu ma gandeam la asta ca la ceva...bun, transcedental, spiritual, o chestie care e de dorit...ma rog, asta e probabil influenta traditiilor orientale. In zazen de exemplu e tocmai aceasta stare de vid care este pretuita. Da, ai dreptate, dar toate astea mi se par mizilicuri pe langa frustrarea de a fi mic. Poate tu nu simti la fel, dar eu am fost intotdeauna convinsa (in viata mea de adult) ca amaraciunea si depresiile pot fi depasite cu putin efort, ca toate lucrurile sunt fermecate daca stii cum sa le privesti (la concluzia asta am ajuns, de fapt, in copilarie), ca viata este, intr-adevar, ceea ce se petrece inainte de moarte dar ca asta nu e neaparat un lucru trist ci intrigant ba chiar amuzant.
Nu am avut niciodata sentimentul ca nu mai sunt lucruri pe care le fac pentru prima data. Dimpotriva, mi se pare ca nu am continuitate fiindca in fiecare zi am noi activitati. Si mi se pare ca nu am timp pentru miile de domenii care ma intereseaza.
Ce vrei sa spui cu “sentimentul vidului”? Eu ma gandeam la asta ca la ceva…bun, transcedental, spiritual, o chestie care e de dorit…ma rog, asta e probabil influenta traditiilor orientale. In zazen de exemplu e tocmai aceasta stare de vid care este pretuita.

]]> By: A. http://andazazen.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/where-is-the-friends-house/#comment-58 A. Sun, 25 May 2008 19:16:38 +0000 http://andazazen.wordpress.com/?p=28#comment-58 Pare corect ce spui până când realizezi ce ai acum şi nu aveai atunci: amărăciunea; sentimentul de a trăi într-o lume dezvrăjită; sentimentul că nu mai sunt lucruri pe care să le faci pentru prima dată, şi că îţi treci viaţa repetându-te; sentimentul vidului; sila. Dacă eşti onestă, vei admite că nu cunoşteai trăirile astea în copilărie, că sunt un produs exclusiv al vârstei adulte. E drept că şi atunci aveai supărări, frustrări, lacrimi, gelozii şi invidii, chiar ură - dar nici una din cele de mai sus care fac viaţa un chin. Pare corect ce spui până când realizezi ce ai acum şi nu aveai atunci: amărăciunea; sentimentul de a trăi într-o lume dezvrăjită; sentimentul că nu mai sunt lucruri pe care să le faci pentru prima dată, şi că îţi treci viaţa repetându-te; sentimentul vidului; sila. Dacă eşti onestă, vei admite că nu cunoşteai trăirile astea în copilărie, că sunt un produs exclusiv al vârstei adulte. E drept că şi atunci aveai supărări, frustrări, lacrimi, gelozii şi invidii, chiar ură – dar nici una din cele de mai sus care fac viaţa un chin.

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